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Postby Blustag » Tue Jun 04, 2013 6:27 pm

There is another person claiming to be me who lives in America. Please note, the REAL Blustag, founder of the Tamaskan breed is from England. Anyone claiming to be Blustag from another country is a scam.
The Blustag website is http://www.blustag-arcticbreeds.co.uk
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Re: Blustag

Postby korak » Mon Jul 01, 2013 11:32 pm

Is this site a scam then? http://www.blustagtamaskan.com/index.php
I actually called these people and it was very confusing.
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Re: Blustag

Postby Blustag » Tue Jul 02, 2013 6:41 am

korak wrote:Is this site a scam then? http://www.blustagtamaskan.com/index.php
I actually called these people and it was very confusing.


Yes these are the people using my name. My website is at www.blustag-arcticbreeds.co.uk I am in UK and not
in USA. Sorry you have been deceived and lucky you havnt purchased a puppy. If you google these people you
will see allsorts of complaints and scams by them going on. I have had a few people come on to me who have
actually purchased from them thinking they are getting Blustag puppies only to realise having contacted me that
they dont have my puppies but crossbreeds. There are many scams going on in US and Europe so please be
aware of that. Our genuine websites for our breed can be found only at www.tamaskan-dog.com and
www.tamaskan-dog.co.uk Beware of similar domain addresses.
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Re: Blustag

Postby Nero » Tue Jul 02, 2013 8:01 pm

korak wrote:Is this site a scam then? http://www.blustagtamaskan.com/index.php
I actually called these people and it was very confusing.


When me and my partner first started looking for Tamaskans, it initially looked like a minefield (to the point where it almost put us off getting a Tamaskan) in terms of finding the right breeder. There is so much incorrect information out there that it can seem hard to find the truth. But there are ways and means of finding the truth, and when you look at the bigger picture, a lot of it seems common sense.

In relation to your specific point about http://www.blustagtamaskan.com - The site you are on about is run by the "Right Puppy Kennel" people (google it and I'm sure you will instantly NEVER want to buy a puppy from them). They are currently using a proxy for their domain name. This means that their domain (ie http://www.blustagtamaskan.com) does not link back to them so people don't know who owns the website. This is usually done by either huge companies, or people trying to hide something. As such, if you don't look further, you would not know that this website was run by the Right Puppy Kennel people.

On their website, they link to the Tamaskan Club of America which has "the distinguished honor of being the official registration body for the American Tamaskan". This website - http://www.tamaskan.com, lists some breeders on it, one of whom is http://www.blustagtamaskan.com! So now of course you are thinking "well if they are listed by the official Tamaskan Club of America, they MUST be a reputable breeder. However, if you look a little further, you will find something isn't quite right.... This is a copy and paste of the registrant details for http://www.tamaskan.com:

Domain Name: TAMASKAN.COM
Created on: 24-Jan-07
Expires on: 24-Jan-14
Last Updated on: 11-Jan-13

Registrant:
RightPuppy, Inc
PO Box 2009
Salisbury, North Carolina 28145
United States

Administrative Contact:
Puppy, Right admin@rightpuppy.com
RightPuppy, Inc
PO Box 2009
Salisbury, North Carolina 28145
United States
7048850067

Technical Contact:
Puppy, Right admin@rightpuppy.com
RightPuppy, Inc
PO Box 2009
Salisbury, North Carolina 28145
United States
7048850067

Just because somebody has a fancy domain name, doesn't mean that they are the "official" or the most reliable. If I go and register the website http://www.pinestout.com tonight (for less than £7 a year, so it isn't unthinkable), and then in 2 years time somebody creates a product called "The Pinestout", does that mean that I am then the official and only reliable source for everything Pinestout jus because I order one Pinestout and then think about selling them???? I think not. Having said that, if I could write to high school level and put a few fancy words onto my site which then puts ideas into people's heads, then I am sure that I could convince a large amount of people that I infact was the official and only reliable source for everything Pinestout! This is what is happenning with websites such as http://www.blustagtamaskan.com, http://www.tamaskan.com and others that I am not going to list (but if you do venture onto other websites, consider what is said below in my post).

I can assure you 100% that I did my homework (I am a DC working for Greater Manchester Police, I assure you I know how to "investigate" things) and if you want to know something that isn't listed on this forum, ask Lynn or Jennie first. You will find that most other websites/forums have their main focus set as attacking Lynn and Jennie. I think anybody who is potentially looking at these other websites/forums needs to look at the full history of the breed, look at where the breed came from, and ask themselves why is a LOT of the content focussed not on the dogs, but on attacking Lynn and Jennie. I'm sure most adults with some life experience can work it out for themselves!

I hope this post helps some people out and clears things up.

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Re: Blustag

Postby CakesandCats » Tue Jul 02, 2013 8:23 pm

Andrew, you are a star!

Thank you for posting this. We too did a lot of research before approaching Lynn, and quickly came to the conclusion that there is a lot of nastiness going on around the breed. Once we met Lynn (and Jennie) and saw their dogs we were very quickly reassured.

I think because of my experience in the 'cat world', which also has a lot of nasty stuff going on between breeders, we took a lot of what we saw on other sites with a large pinch of salt and made up our own minds! Sadly, however, not everyone will have the experience, for want of a better word, to do this!
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Re: Blustag

Postby korak » Wed Jul 03, 2013 12:05 am

You know whats funny is I did a little research and called them a while back when I first went on a hunt for the breed, and they were not very friendly. I had a lot of questions and I felt like I was inconveniencing them and she wasn't very friendly.

Heres a little more I dug up:

Reviews for right puppy kennel: http://www.yelp.com/biz/right-puppy-kennel-salisbury

Its a little scary that I was very close to purchasing from them. It looks like some peoples puppies have died after receiving them.

Its really odd because I found a breeder that I would like to go through, and I look at his site often, and I noticed the "american blu stag" had some photos of his dogs on there. And I called and talked to the breeder that I would like to go through and I thought he was absolutely wonderful we talked for a good 45 minutes he has videos of his dogs and I feel really comfortable going through him. I should probably let him know that they have photos of his Ivy and Willow on there.
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Re: Blustag

Postby Blustag » Wed Jul 03, 2013 7:05 am

Hi Korak

May I suggest that before you purchase you contact me as if they are genuine Tamaskan I will be
able to advise you. People can be friendly of course but not be selling pure Tamaskan. My email
is arcticbreeds@yahoo.co.uk I do know that some people that have purchased in the past from RPK
are now breeding from these dogs in USA.
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Re: Blustag

Postby Razor » Wed Oct 07, 2015 7:14 pm

This is just my opinion, but I saw something on one of the Tamaskan Facebook groups that summerised things nicely (although I didn't agree with all of it, so only copied that bit I like). It said this:

"If you own a dog from Blustag (NC, U.S. Right Puppy Kennel), or Ratliff, they are NOT Tamaskan dogs.
It is the bloodlines bred from that make the breed, not labels or papers or a specific mix of breeds to try to 'recreate' the breed."

The original bloodlines originate from Blustag (the original, UK, this one here ^ ) with select dogs chosen for various wolfy traits. Any dog from these bloodlines, or approved out-crosses can be classified as a Tamaskan. Any dog not from the original bloodlines or an out-cross not approved, is not a Tamaskan.

The big issue is this. Who decides on an approved out-cross ? That depends on which side of the Tam divide you fall on. Both groups will say only them and that they belong to the one true TDR and the others are doing bad things. We've all been there, done the research and ended up where we think is best, here :)

If you have dog that looks like a Tam and acts like a Tam, then you are a very lucky person and who cares the name of the breed..? You're still more than welcome here :)
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Re: Blustag

Postby Blufawn » Thu Oct 08, 2015 10:59 am

I think that summarises it quite well.
At the start of the breed there was only Blustag breeding. Blustag had the most experience, having been involved in dogs since she was 16 and having a sound knowledge of rare breeds, conformation and training, she chose ALL the original founding dogs.
All pure Tamaskan dogs must have a Blustag dog somewhere in their ancestry or they are most definitely not Tamaskan.
Since then, other people who think they know best have decided to add in outcrosses and continue to call them Tamaskan. But who decides what is a correct outcross and what isnt? In this group we believe the founders who were responsible for creating the breed should have the last say on the addition of a new dog. Others believe anyone should be able to add one in as long as a committee approves it (regardless of the experience of the people on the committee)
However, most groups are unanimous in their dislike of Rightpuppy and his breeding, not because his dogs are ugly, or they are all unhealthy (we dont know that) but purely because of his lack of care with regards to his dogs welfare and of course his lack of health testing which puts his puppies at risk of genetic diseases. However, Rightpuppy did start out with two Blustag dogs and therefore, using the same arguments as the 'other' group use, you could call your dog a Tamaskan (depending of course on if your lucky enough to have one of those Blustag dogs in your pedigree). Or it could just be a mutt, but either way it is a very nice looking puppy and you obviously love and care for it and so that should be all that matters.
So I say, carry on calling it a Tamaskan regardless, no one can technically argue with you without contradicting themselves.
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Re: Blustag

Postby hiy0umakemesmile » Thu Oct 08, 2015 11:24 am

Thanks for the information guys, it really doesn't matter to us one way or another cause we love her. I was just trying to find out for information sake. I wonder how those people are legally getting away with the way they treat their dogs. Anyway, she's wonderful and gorgeous and a complete joy to have. Like I said I just hope she doesn't develop any health issues because of these irresponsible people.
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